Questions for Bernard Jenkin MP.

edited November 13 in General Wivenhoe Talk
I've challenged our MP to answer the following questions today, keep them handy in case you bump into him.

1 - Is your name one of the 40 MPs on the list calling to sack the PM?
  
2 - You would back hard Brexit (inc. repatriations of UK non-domers, repeal of all EU laws), if EU talks collapse next week?

3 - Where are those 58 Brexit case studies that Parliament has demanded to see?

NOTE - Parliament gave the Government a deadline of last Tuesday to fully disclose case studies undertaken done on 58 Business sectors on the effects of a soft-Brexit. But just as they were to be disclosed, it appears they fell onto the Number 10 shredder. 

The next 3 weeks will show us all who he and his colleagues are actually working for. 



Comments

  • Surely you know that Bernard Jenkin has long backed a hard Brexit in recent months-or as most sensible people call it- BREXIT...
  • Isn’t he against the new garden city?

    would be good to question him on his views on that?


  • The Remoaners are still moaning.
  • I'll second that, kst. :)
  • Eurosceptics moaned endless about Europe up to the point they won the referendum, and then suddenly moaning fell out of fashion. Curious that. ;-)

  • adrian said:
    Eurosceptics moaned endless about Europe up to the point they won the referendum, and then suddenly moaning fell out of fashion. Curious that. ;-)

    You Got IT - They WON

  • So, British democracy may be characterised as a somewhat lopsided system whereby one side is entitled to complain vociferously until it gets its way at which point the other side must quietly accept its fate? That is very convenient. :)



  • adrian said:
    So, British democracy may be characterised as a somewhat lopsided system whereby one side is entitled to complain vociferously until it gets its way at which point the other side must quietly accept its fate? That is very convenient. :)

    No, they normally demonstrate in London etc


  • adrian said:
    Eurosceptics moaned endless about Europe up to the point they won the referendum, and then suddenly moaning fell out of fashion. Curious that. ;-)


    Where's the like button when you need one?



  • The above comments by adrian illustrate a widespread misapprehension-please do not conflate the Geographical area of Europe with the European Union. There are many ordinary people who make up Eurozone populations who are deeply unhappy with the increasing Federalization of EU Nations that is being proposed. Things are far from rosy across European Union countries...potential Banking Sector meltdown in Italy and the continued grinding poverty experienced by many ordinary Greeks due to REAL Austerity measures introduced by the IMF in tandem with Eurocrats. If Corbyn-a lifelong Eurosceptic throughout his rebellios Backbencher career-had any real integrity he would have supported leaving the E.U. 

    We are leaving the European UNION, not Europe...
  • Not sure how you read that into my posts George, I fully understand the difference between continental Europe and the EU. I share your concerns with the direction the EU was going in, which is why I voted "leave".
    However, I did so with an extremely heavy heart - perhaps like Mr Corbyn when he voted the way he did. I am conflicted by the EU. In an ideal world I would like us to be part of a progressive European Union with NO borders, and a broadly socialist outlook that tempers the current excesses of crony capitalism. I welcome immigration to this country, and will continue to do so. But issues such as Greece, TTIP and so-called "austerity" left me deeply uncomfortable with the direction the EU was going.

    The EU question is huge, it is complex, and it should never have been subject to a binary referendum IMHO. That it was reduced thus by a Prime Minister, who foolishly thought he could win it with his usual PR swagger, has exposed a deep divide across this country, and undermined our system of representative democracy. So, whilst I stand by my vote to "leave" for the reasons mentioned above, I also believe we should remember that this is a representative (not direct) democracy, and that "moaning" is a proven and entirely legitimate political tool.

  • edited November 14

    We are leaving the European UNION, not Europe...
       Personally I think that we should have a referendum on this too. Whether we could physically relocate our island    outside of europe. I am sure we could get at 50% to vote in favour of this.


  • Sorry for misunderstanding you Adrian. I stand corrected! 
  • edited November 14
    Remoaner? Right. 

    I get a lot of this. I'm concerned about Brexit, therefore I'm a "Remoaner". You're welcome to play the simplistic game for those who need bright shiny charts and big headlines but you will forever miss the facts beneath the bluster. 

    For the record...
    I am against the EU, its beaurocracy, its waste and its cost to us. I think we should be out of it. 
    However, there are ways of leaving and this is not it. Until I was convinced that "now" was the right time and that we had a parliament that would manage the exit properly while maintaining strong relationships with our partners over the Channel, I could not vote for it. 

    On the other hand some of the trade and law benefits of being in the EU are worth the membership and should be continued. We're not in Shengan so we've got our borders under control, despite the tubthumping to the contrary. 

    As it turns out my suspicions were right. The talks have been a shambles, lies have been spun and it's fast turning into a complete dogs dinner because moderate voices like mine are ignored. A clever Brexit would have been to have an alternative trade group ready to go before triggering Article 20. But some people are too greedy furthering their careers to care about the future of the UK. 

    Sorry if that's a bit wordy, but important stuff usually is. 
  • so, Mike, you were opposed to the country having the E.U. Referendum in the first place?
  • Mike said:
    I am against the EU, its beaurocracy, its waste and its cost to us. I think we should be out of it. 

    How do you feel about the EU as a means of maintaining peace through trade? And do you think it has been successful in its primary goal since its inception?
  • Mike said:
    I am against the EU, its beaurocracy, its waste and its cost to us. I think we should be out of it. 

    How do you feel about the EU as a means of maintaining peace through trade? And do you think it has been successful in its primary goal since its inception?

    Peace, and the support for 'useful' regulation (ie most of it) - on environmental standards and safeguards, animal welfare standards, employment rights etc etc etc. Yes, it will be argued we **could** have those outside EU. True, but looking at recent proclamations from Fox re chlorinated chicken, and the interventions of (self-serving) nest-featherers like Dyson (low tax, low regulation) does anyone really believe our world will be a better place out of the EU? For the many that is, aside from the few who make their money out of disaster capitalism.
  • 72GEORGE said:
    so, Mike, you were opposed to the country having the E.U. Referendum in the first place?
    No. 
  • Mike said:
    I am against the EU, its beaurocracy, its waste and its cost to us. I think we should be out of it. 

    How do you feel about the EU as a means of maintaining peace through trade? And do you think it has been successful in its primary goal since its inception?
    Sorry UTB, messed up the quote box thing. 

    Good question, it has been very successful at maintaining peace, that's very important. I am proud to be a member of the European Union, I want to keep my EU passport, I want free trade and full movement of EU nationals through it. That's why I voted Remain on this occasion. I want us to be a part of a common market of peaceful European Partners. 

    I just don't see a long term future for the organisation called EU, it's as bureaucratic, corrupt and self-serving as our own Parliament.  

    Think Premier League replacing Division 1. We had a chance to actually plan for it, but we threw it away with a knee-jerk, poorly thought-out Referendum which was only offered to;

    A) Stop the hemorrhaging of Tory voters to UKIP which put a number of millionnaire MPs at risk of losing one of their sources of income. 
    B) Appease the media moguls who, under EU law starting in 2019 (coincidence surely), would find it more difficult to offshore their profits and avoid UK tax like they do now (while telling Remainers that they're unpatriotic). 


  • Brexit - это хорошо для нас

  • A major factor in the eastablishment of peace in Europe post WW Two was financial aid from the United States with programmes such as the Marshall Plan...
  • 72GEORGE said:
    A major factor in the eastablishment of peace in Europe post WW Two was financial aid from the United States with programmes such as the Marshall Plan...
    This is true, and the key word here is 'establishment' [of peace]

    The key word in the context of the EU is 'maintaining' [peace]

    Would you say the EU has been successful in its primary goal of maintaining peace through trade?
  • But in the broader sense, surely if a club is really worth your patronage, you would want to become a fully fledged member-put with more clarity-why did we not join the Euro and adopt it as our national currency when we had the opportunity years ago?

    Just sayin'
  • In line with the original title of the thread I would like task ask our honourable member when his watch is being released. I have read all through the so called “watch” thread and there are no details whatsoever. 
    Will have to settle for the Corbyn clock instead. 
  • 72GEORGE said:
    But in the broader sense, surely if a club is really worth your patronage, you would want to become a fully fledged member-put with more clarity-why did we not join the Euro and adopt it as our national currency when we had the opportunity years ago?

    Just sayin'
    Interesting question

    I see what you did there, even though you disguised it a bit by making it rhetorical, you still answered a question with a question.

    Sneaky. But you'll have to get up earlier to catch this particular worm (+10 cross-post-linking points to me there)

    So to remain on the meta topic on this thread that has already been leaving its original topic behind:

    Would you say the EU has been successful in its primary goal of maintaining peace through trade?


  • 72GEORGE said:
    But in the broader sense, surely if a club is really worth your patronage, you would want to become a fully fledged member-put with more clarity-why did we not join the Euro and adopt it as our national currency when we had the opportunity years ago?

    Just sayin'
    Interesting question

    I see what you did there, even though you disguised it a bit by making it rhetorical, you still answered a question with a question.

    Sneaky. But you'll have to get up earlier to catch this particular worm (+10 cross-post-linking points to me there)

    So to remain on the meta topic on this thread that has already been leaving its original topic behind:

    Would you say the EU has been successful in its primary goal of maintaining peace through trade?

    The EU certainly backed out when Ukraine wanted to come in - I wonder  Why ?. 

  • edited November 16
    kst said:
    72GEORGE said:
    But in the broader sense, surely if a club is really worth your patronage, you would want to become a fully fledged member-put with more clarity-why did we not join the Euro and adopt it as our national currency when we had the opportunity years ago?

    Just sayin'
    Interesting question

    I see what you did there, even though you disguised it a bit by making it rhetorical, you still answered a question with a question.

    Sneaky. But you'll have to get up earlier to catch this particular worm (+10 cross-post-linking points to me there)

    So to remain on the meta topic on this thread that has already been leaving its original topic behind:

    Would you say the EU has been successful in its primary goal of maintaining peace through trade?

    The EU certainly backed out when Ukraine wanted to come in - I wonder  Why ?. 

    I like this, you're avoiding a question i haven't even asked you yet: +10 points to you for preemptive question avoidance.

    However, in a weird double jeopardy-esq turn of events i can now ask you the question and you've already used up your allocated avoidance chit 

    @kst Would you say the EU has been successful in its primary goal of maintaining peace through trade?

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  • Would you say the EU has been successful in its primary goal of maintaining peace through trade?
    Mainly Yes, only through fellow EU members.
  • Macca said:
    In line with the original title of the thread I would like task ask our honourable member when his watch is being released. I have read all through the so called “watch” thread and there are no details whatsoever. 
    Will have to settle for the Corbyn clock instead. 
    @Macca, call Trading Standards. I have no watches. 

    @everyoneelse. It's rather frightening that so many who voted Brexit still haven't clocked (sorry again Macca) what the true purpose of it is. And the lies spun by the Brexit team weren't exactly convincing. Nationwide Myopia strikes again. 

    Anyway, no response from Bernard yet. 
  • There is probably quite a lot of myopia around General Elections too... 
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