Free speech - but not for dogs

why do some people think that their barking, yappy dogs are cute. They are not, they are annoying. There really is no reason why a dog should bark because someone walks by. It's not only bad training of the dog but bad training if the owner. 

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  • I see your point Joe. Not everyone can cope easily with a bit of harmless sounding off, whether it is a barking dog or a rather subjective, divisive or provocative contribution to a discussion forum.

    Still, as I think you infer, we at least have the freedom to choose our reaction to this sort of thing.

    Have a nice day.
  • Not sure many reasonable people apart from those owners who cannot control their dogs would view endless yapping as harmless, especially early in the morning. 

    Surely all opinions are subjective. Provocative, well as long as not offensive, that's the point of a discussion forum. As for divisive, well yes, those of us that are right and you that are wrong.
  • Yes, social skills - whether you are a dog or a human being - is perhaps a training issue. We aren't all born ignorant.

    So I'd be interested in your opinion on this: Are humans easier or more difficult to train than dogs?
  • Or to take it one step further: are humans easier or or more difficult to tolerate than dogs?
  • Or is it a case of  - I'm right, don't care what your views are ? 
  • I could agree with you but then we'd both be wrong
  • kst said:
    Or is it a case of  - I'm right, don't care what your views are ? 
    But the problem is I am right ! 
  • A barking dog is a stressed dog!

  • Okay so a barking dog is a stressed dog, which means the owner is doing something wrong or did something wrong in not socialising the dog when young. 
    Or put another way, a barking dog causes stress to others. 
  • I hate children and the noises they make, but I put up with it. Likewise Traffic (not the band, they were pretty good). 

    These are the sounds of the world that we have to put up with. 
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  • Joe said:
    Okay so a barking dog is a stressed dog, which means the owner is doing something wrong or did something wrong in not socialising the dog when young. 
    Or put another way, a barking dog causes stress to others. 

    I agree Joe.  Dog owners should make every possible attempt to socialise their dogs
     and teach them good manners. This includes teaching them not to bark, which can be done.
  • Mike said:
    I hate children and the noises they make, but I put up with it. Likewise Traffic (not the band, they were pretty good). 

    These are the sounds of the world that we have to put up with. 
    Completely agree, I have children and a dog. That's my choice and my choice should not impact on others. 
  • Dogs bark to communicate. So when they're happy, excited too. Of course they bark when angry or frightened. 



  • Whinny said:
    Joe said:
    Okay so a barking dog is a stressed dog, which means the owner is doing something wrong or did something wrong in not socialising the dog when young. 
    Or put another way, a barking dog causes stress to others. 

    I agree Joe.  Dog owners should make every possible attempt to socialise their dogs
     and teach them good manners. This includes teaching them not to bark, which can be done.
    In some cases a barking dog is an excited or a bored, understimulated dog. In others it's an enthusiastic, in-training or young, or rescued dog. In others, a poorly socialised dog. Dogs are not one size fits all. They have all had different experiences that build their view of the world and the people and other animals in it. I have one such poorly socialised dog. He came to us as a puppy but during those critical socialization months he developed a severely painful condition that took a YEAR to finally be diagnosed correctly, by which time his stomach was distended with digested blood that couldn't exit his stomach due to a deformity of the stomach exit that had become horrendously inflamed. He had been through months of treatment and medication, severely painful episodes that left me having to carry him home from walks, and that meant he would suddenly fall to the floor on walks and be filled with fear of being approached as he would suddenly be in terrible pain. He spent a week in intensive care at a specialist veterinary hospital and although he cannot be cured, we do our best to manage his diet and stress levels, both of which can trigger an episode of inflammation, the first signs of which are often that he appears out of sorts or particularly anxious or aggressive, and 24 hours later the physical symptoms start. He lives on four medications to control his condition. I wish I could tell all the judgmental, intolerant, snooty d***heads that look down their noses at me for being 'unable to stop him barking' to keep their sneering sense of superiority to themselves as they walk past with Perfectly Behaved Fido, because believe me, it's not for the want of trying to conquer his fearful aggression and unpredictability that developed during those months when he was in pain and not being taken seriously by vets, that we still have a snarling, fearful dog. He has been assessed and treated by three trainers/behaviourists, all of whom say the same...when an animal is sick, no amount of training will be as effective as it woud be if we ONLY had fear to contend with. Nor do owners of adolescent dogs and puppies who 'only want to play' (assuming my unhappy dog is fine with that) take kindly to him snapping and snarling to keep dogs and strangers at bay but he has little choice unless he wants to be bowled over while in such pain, as happened one day and the puppy's owner shouted at ME as if I was the only one with the inadequately mannered dog. 
    There are many things we have to tolerate in life. The world would be such a nicer place if people like the original poster could just live and let live. Just a little. Life is hard enough caring for less-than-perfect animals and children without knowing there are supercilious and condescending individuals looking down at you because you happen to have been dealt a trickier hand than perhaps they've had to cope with.  
  • @Roobear nobody's dog is perfect and we all do the best we can to socialize and train them. I am so sorry you have had such veterinary issues with yours and be assured me and Barney will give you a "hug" when we meet you.
  • Well said... 
  • If it were a child with a behavioural problem or a person with a disability such as Tourettes, would the original poster consider that the parent had 'done something wrong' that had resulted in 'antisocial' behaviour that caused him 'stress'? Dogs are living creatures too and have the capacity for emotional problems and insecurity, not all of which relate directly to the 'quality' of the owner's efforts to train or manage their issues. And if it annoys you that a dog barks as you walk past, why don't you walk a bit quicker and get past - perhaps hum a tune to yourself whilst remembering how lucky you are to have a calm dog yourself (which I'm sure you take ALL the credit for despite a dog's temperament being influenced by breed, very early experiences, its ability to read other dogs' body language, whether it's ever been attacked etc) - then you can concentrate on breathing deeply to relieve the dreadful stress it's clearly brought about? Some people really do have First World Problems. Perhaps a yoga class or some meditation may help you with your anger issues? 
  • quite a number of people take on rescues too, and whilst often fairly fit, can take a while, up to a year or more to adjust to being in a caring environment.

    That period of adjustment isn't always straight forward and can lead to the dog not always behaving a you'd like for a while whilst it adjusts.


  • Roobear said:
    If it were a child with a behavioural problem or a person with a disability such as Tourettes, would the original poster consider that the parent had 'done something wrong' that had resulted in 'antisocial' behaviour that caused him 'stress'? Dogs are living creatures too and have the capacity for emotional problems and insecurity, not all of which relate directly to the 'quality' of the owner's efforts to train or manage their issues. And if it annoys you that a dog barks as you walk past, why don't you walk a bit quicker and get past - perhaps hum a tune to yourself whilst remembering how lucky you are to have a calm dog yourself (which I'm sure you take ALL the credit for despite a dog's temperament being influenced by breed, very early experiences, its ability to read other dogs' body language, whether it's ever been attacked etc) - then you can concentrate on breathing deeply to relieve the dreadful stress it's clearly brought about? Some people really do have First World Problems. Perhaps a yoga class or some meditation may help you with your anger issues? 
    There are those dogs with problems and there are those dogs with problem owners. It's the dogs with problem owners that I object to. Not saying anything to the dog when barking or saying ohhh poor dibbles are you afraid infuriates me. Say 'stop that' in a clear authoritative  voice. ..... 
  • Roobear said:
    If it were a child with a behavioural problem or a person with a disability such as Tourettes, would the original poster consider that the parent had 'done something wrong' that had resulted in 'antisocial' behaviour that caused him 'stress'? Dogs are living creatures too and have the capacity for emotional problems and insecurity, not all of which relate directly to the 'quality' of the owner's efforts to train or manage their issues. And if it annoys you that a dog barks as you walk past, why don't you walk a bit quicker and get past - perhaps hum a tune to yourself whilst remembering how lucky you are to have a calm dog yourself (which I'm sure you take ALL the credit for despite a dog's temperament being influenced by breed, very early experiences, its ability to read other dogs' body language, whether it's ever been attacked etc) - then you can concentrate on breathing deeply to relieve the dreadful stress it's clearly brought about? Some people really do have First World Problems. Perhaps a yoga class or some meditation may help you with your anger issues? 
    I take full responsibility and credit for both my children and dog, and indeed wife! 
  • I bet your wife pinches herself every morning!
  • Saying 'Stop that's in a clear authoritative voice is actually not what trainers recommend to nervous dogs Joe. If a dog is frightened, you don't make them less frightened by telling them not to be in a clear authoritative or any other voice. You are poorly informed aboi t dog training and as I suspected have clearly never owned or taken on a dog with fear issues. 
    As for your wife....I'm sorry to say this but you are doing a fantadtic job of coming across as a misogynistic, patriarchal arse. I'm quite sure your wife needs no help from you to be a perfectly well functioning, balanced human being. In fact, all credit to HER for doing that DESPITE you. 
  • Yes, clever wife.  Good girl!

  • Glyn said:
    I see your point Joe. Not everyone can cope easily with a bit of harmless sounding off, whether it is a barking dog or a rather subjective, divisive or provocative contribution to a discussion forum.

    Still, as I think you infer, we at least have the freedom to choose our reaction to this sort of thing.

    Have a nice day.
    Let's not get excited about this folks. @Joe has tried a few provocative openings since joining the forum. Most died soon enough for want of reactions.
  • Yes, Don't feed him! Perhaps he'll stop barking.
  • People need to quieten their trolls :D
  • Dogs. just like all animals should be free to do as they wish except human animals of course, they should get fell in in threes and look smart about it.
  • Roobear said:
    Saying 'Stop that's in a clear authoritative voice is actually not what trainers recommend to nervous dogs Joe. If a dog is frightened, you don't make them less frightened by telling them not to be in a clear authoritative or any other voice. You are poorly informed aboi t dog training and as I suspected have clearly never owned or taken on a dog with fear issues. 
    As for your wife....I'm sorry to say this but you are doing a fantadtic job of coming across as a misogynistic, patriarchal arse. I'm quite sure your wife needs no help from you to be a perfectly well functioning, balanced human being. In fact, all credit to HER for doing that DESPITE you. 
    Let's get some humour people! 
  • DougK said:
    Dogs. just like all animals should be free to do as they wish except human animals of course, they should get fell in in threes and look smart about it.
    Don't go to a zoo then, that lion enclosure sure is going to hurt! 
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